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top of a brand new hour on cnn newsroom. thanks for being with us. >> president biden is taking his "state of the union" pitch on the road. he just spoke in wisconsin to push american manufacturing. >>'s c and he called out the specific moment last night when republicans applauded his call to not cut any social security or medicare benefits. he said he will make sure republicans live up to that word. >> as we all agreed, social security and medicare is off the books now. all right. okay, we got a deal. i sure hope that's true. i'll believe it when i see it
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and their budget is laid down with the cuts they are proposing. but it looks like we negotiated a deal in florida house of representatives. >> so our resident fact checker daniel dale is here to clear it all up for us. today republicans are condemning the president for even linking medicare and social security cuts to their party as if they never said such things in the past. >> calling him a liar. marjorie taylor greene was one of the hecklers. watch this. >> instead of making the wealthy pay their fair share, some republicans, some republicans, want medicare and social security to sunset. i'm not saying it is the majority. let me give you -- anybody who doubts it, contact my office. i'll give you a copy of the
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proposal. i'm glad to see -- i tell you, i enjoy conversion. >> he enjoys conversion. and we heard the president reading from that proposal that afternoon. who was correct? >> the president was correct. let me give you the facts. last year senator rick scott of florida who has been a member of the republican senate leadership introduced a formal plan for, quote, all federal laws, no exemptions, to be sunset every five years and if congress wants reapproved every five years. i took it straight from the plan's official website. it says all federal legislation sunsets in five years. if a law is worth keeping, congress can pass it again. the plan was quickly rejected, but in rejecting it, mcconnell used basically the same session as biden did last night. mcconnell said we will not have as part of our agenda a bill
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that sunsets social security and medicare in five years. and senator ron johnson has suggested that entitlement programs, social security and medicare included, should be discretionary that congress has to approve annually. in fairness scott and johnson have repeatedly said they don't want to cut those benefits and other republicans quickly stanced themselves from all the sunset stuff. it is not a majority position of the party. but the idea that biden is just making it up as congresswoman greene and others claim, he is not. >> and the president also boasted about cutting the federal budget deficit. listen to that one. >> in the last two years, my administration has cut the deficit by more than $1.7 trillion. largest deficit reduction in american history. >> is that accurate? >> i call it misleading. the president's number is correct, it is true that the deficit has gone down $1.7
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trillion in 2021 and 2022 compared to 2020, but experts have consistently said that biden is taking way too much credit for this decline. it was not because of his administration in large part. in reality the decline overwhelmingly occurred simply because temporary pandemic spending from 2020 expired as scheduled, not because of biden's own actions. in addition experts say that biden's laws and executive orders have on the whole significantly increased deficits. dan white at moody's analytics says that on net the policies of the administration have increased the deficit, not reduced it. and increased it by a lot. committee for responsible federal budget estimates that biden's actions will add more than $4.8 trillion to deficits over a decade. and the group's president told me tuls beforeesday before the that the white house deserves credit that they enacted through the inflation reduction act but
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should also take credit for those that they put into law. overall what he has done has made the deficit bigger, not smaller. >> so the republican response was delivered by governor sarah huckabee sanders. she claimed that former president trump left biden world peace. i know this may not be a yes or no response, but what do you make of what she said? >> that claim is frankly ridiculous. she said the world was peaceful and stable when biden took office. stable is subjective, but peace? u.s. troops were still in afghanistan. civil war in yemen was ongoing. civil wars in syria and so he m somalia was on going. and there were border clashes. israeli conflict had not gone away. there was a border incident on biden's inauguration day. so i think that claim is
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ultutter nonsense. >> daniel, thanks. joining us now, a former democratic member of the south carolina statehouse and cnn contributor, staff writer for the new yorker. and his book is "joe biden the life, run and what matters now." thank you both for joining us. evan, let me begin with you. the president walked into the speech with at least one poll suggesting that over 60% of americans didn't think that he accomplished much if anything in the past two years. did he deliver last night in convincing americans that that is just not the case? >> i think this is something that the white house was aware of long before that poll came out. i was talking to senior white house officials over the days before the speech and one of the things that they were making clear was it is time to go from getting things done legislatively to making it real. meaning making it tangible. getting out there on the road and putting shovels in the ground.
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getting a sense from americans that all of this drama they have seen in washington, all of this horse trading and back room dealing ultimately has led to meaningful changes in their lives when it comes to creating jobs or creating opportunity where it doesn't exist. one of the things you heard last night was this emphasis over and over again on workers, on job creation. as he put it, people who feel invisible, who feel left behind. here he is today going out and talking to people about union jobs as he says people who don't need a four year college degree to make a meaningful career. that is about trying to make it real rather than abstract. >> and let's narrow the scope for just a sendcond to the democratic party and run-up to the announcement for re-election. majority according to polls say they want someone other than the president to be the nominee and for the percentage who say that it is because they think that he is too old, did he do enough last night to quell some of those anxieties? >> i think he did enough last
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night to be completely honest with you. i think individuals were looking at the president to see his energy and his temperament, things that may not necessarily be fair to analyze when you are looking at one state of the union address. but look, the way he was able to go back and forth when you had the hecklers like marjorie taylor greene and others, the way that he kind of got a second wind in him as he was going through his speech, i think most democrats if you poll them today will tell you that these last two years have been some of the most successful two years of any presidency in american history. i think that we can look at that as being a fact. the question though remains do you want this individual who is in his -- will be in his mid to late 80s to be president of the united states. and this is when it gets more nuanced than any particular poll. myself and many others, we will all take a rematch of joe biden versus donald trump. i misspoke the other day on anderson cooper, but the fact is
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i will take joe biden 14 out of 14 times over donald trump if that is the match-up. the question though is can you gamble that that will be the match-up. is it lodoeis it -- it looks th will win the nomination but again, that is a gamble. >> and foreign policy is one of his strong suits and what he ran on four years ago. and while he did bring up the war in ukraine and even china, the majority of the speech was on domestic kitchen table issues. what do you make in the thought going into that strategy and do you think that it was effective? >> yeah, i think that obviously a lot of the country we've been talking about this chinese balloon for days, and it has been dominating conversation, but as they think about a speech like this, the white house is thinking what is the impact going to be, how do you break through all of the noise that people have in their lives and make them pay attention. so instead you hear them talking about the almost kitchen table issues, things like the resort
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fees on your hotel bill or how much you are getting charged from the airline. couldn't be farther from the geopolitical issues. i think that surprised some china analysts the idea that there wouldn't be more mention of that, i think part of that is because the issue with the united states' relationship with china is a fragile moment and labored behind the scenes quite delicately. tony blainken was supposed to g and that idea was scotched because of the balloon over the united states. and so i think that there was a lot more kicking beneath the surface of the water than he would let on during a speech like that. >> let's talk about the reaction to the speech. cnn's poll immediately after the speech found that the majority of americans have a positive reaction response to it. 34% had a very positive reaction. however, that number 34% is the lowest in cnn's polling that goes back to 1988 for
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presidents. president trump, 48% in 2018. president obama, 48%. president bush, 74% in 2002. of course that was right after 9/11. what do you make of this number for president biden? >> absolutely nothing. i mean, i think that the number that matters is those who viewed it favorably. whether you viewed it very favorably or just kind of favo favorably, i think it is splitting hairs. the president has a successful night last night. i think it will take time for him to chip away at those individuals who think that he is too old to be president again, that is just a fact, but this was a step in the right direction proving that he can take on the tone, tenor, and has the energy to campaign and be successful again. anyway you shake last night, it was a win for joe biden. >> bigger picture, evan, how signature are "state of the union" speeches in terms of getting any legislation done and longer term polling?
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>> well, it can have an impact. in some ways it is the dog that didn't bark. if last night had not gone well, if the president had not looked like he was tuned up and ready to do it, if he had botched those moments from getting push back from the republicans, that would have had a significant cloud over what may in faxct be his announcement for re-election. instead he came out doing no harm to himself and i think kind of fortified the case among democrats that he is the person who is in the prime position right now. that helps him. and so it matters tremendously how a night like that goes even if it is mostly political junkies that are are paying as e attention to as we are. >> thank you both. internal police documents reveal one of the officer's charged with the murder of tyre nichols took photos of him beaten and bloodied and then
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try align for a month and see how great a healthy gut can feel. welcome to an align gut. just minutes ago damar hamlin spoke after receiving the 2023 nfl players association community award. this is a big day. because earlier the doctor for the nfl players association guarantees that hamlin will play professional football again. let's listen. >> first and foremost, i just want to say thank you. i thank god for being here. and thank the other guys who were nominated for the award as well who, you know, did the work in their communities alongside of me as well. giving back to my community has always been a big part of who i am. i'm thankful to my father who is
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behind me. growing up just watching him do community days in our community and i just always was waiting on my time when it came. one of my favorite quotes is, it is a blessing to be a blessing. with that being said, i plan to never take this position for granted and always have an urgent approach in making a difference in the community from i come from and also communities across the world. thank you. >> i mean maybe that is why i was a little choked up in the last segment. seriously, who could have thought just a few weeks ago he was in a hospital bed with his parents next to him and that was a miracle. and to hear him, to see him now, to know that he is going to play again, it is just unreal and in the best sense of that word. joining us now, carrie champion. we'll talk about lebron in a moment, but this sort of is the
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news right now. >> you are so eloquent in the way in which you describe what we all have been able to witness. there is no way in the world that i thought we'd be here today with damar hamlin speaking in front of an audience saying i'm going full, i'm ready to play. what we witnessed on monday night football was extremely terrifying. and at that moment, and this is when i say i do enjoy social media, he became all of ours. he was our son, he was our friend, he was someone that we all wanted to support. and the fact of the matter is that the more and more we learn about this young man, he is remarkable. that moment that we shared in sports brought us all together. that is when you could see what is good about us as humans, the humanity of it all showed through. and i'm so excited that he will be able to play again. while there might be obviously some people who have reservations, i understand that. but he is a miracle and we're able to watch it.
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>> and we heard from roger goodell talk about the medical support there on the field that saved his life there on january 2. let's turn now to lebron. last night his name in the history books in los angeles. let's watch the moment. >> lebron, one-on-one against williams. backing him in. turns, shoots. scores! there it is! all hail the new king in town! young and old gather round, from one iconic laker to another, the king lebron james has passed the captain, kareem abdul jabar and lebron now stands alone as the nba's all-time leading scorer. >> fantastic moment. you had kareem there. a little emotion from lebron as well. what stood out for that moment for you, cari?
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>> well, first off, the voice of the lakers, john ireland, he was fantastic on the call. he has been covering the lakers for the better part of three decades and that is what we just heard. and it was beautiful because it was such a beautiful narration of what we were annualable to witness. i knew lebron was prepared for that moment, but what we didn't really see at home by watching it was the sense of acceptance. lebron has been one of the most criticized athletes we've ever seen, my opinion. and last night there was this welcome. literally at 17 years old he was on the cover of "sports illustrated" and it said the chosen one. 20 years later, he has proved that and then some. and what what we're witnessing is history. we'll never see anything like that again. that record will be in place, it was in place for 39 years. it will stay in place. there is no one close to where he is right now. and i hope we appreciate the
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greatness. >> to see how proud kareem abdul jabar was to be there for that moment. just a bit of trivia here, lebron was born a few months after kareem broke the previous record. and you're right, it will be a record that lebron will hold for many years to come. cari champion, thank you so much. cnn contributor and host of the car cari champion show. it was one of the moments everyone was talking about last night when republican senator mitt romney told disgraced congressman george santos you don't belong here. now santos is responding. we'll have that ahead. and effortlessssly responds to both of you. our smart sleepepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. proven quality sleep. only from sleep number.
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government, then they are showing me they have no humanity and that they are not for the people. because i'm part of the people. so you need to get off your butts and get this bill passed. >> nick valencia is live in memphis. what else are you learning about the officers charged? >> reporter: these allegations laid out in these internal documents, the photo taking is just one of the many allegations. it is a laundry list of policy violations. they are five decertification letters acce eters sent to the commission and it says that the offices never told tyre nichols why they were pulling him over. and it also says that they used excessive force which we all saw in the video and it says that these officers tried to turn off or obscure their body worn
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cameras and later laughing while misleading investigators. and the accounts given co contradicted one another or omitted and distorted the violence used against nichols. >> and so i understand you also spoke with a man who says that he is a victim of the now disbanded scorpion unit and assaulted just days before tyre nichols was beaten. tell us what you know. >> reporter: that's right, the 22-year-old, a u.s. navy veteran, he said just three days prior to the tyre nichols stop, he was beaten up by members of the scorpion unit and the same five officers now charged with murder were the same officers that beat him up. listen to him describe to us what it was like when he realized that the same officers involved in nichols' incident were involved in his own. >> it was really scary. it was devastating. because when i was released from jail, my dad, he could see me
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like hunched over and stuff. and he was like what happened, you know, it could have been worse. a couple days later, he sent me a link with tyre's face how beat up he was in the hospital with the pictures of the officers. and i was reading the article and the names kind of struck a bell. i was like these are the same officers that beat me up, you know. just days before this happened to him. >> reporter: harris says that the officers jumped out wearing ski masked. he thought he was being car jacked because they didn't initially identify themselves as being police. he has filed a suit seeking $5 million from the city. >> nick valencia, thank you for the reporting. let's bring in john miller, intelligence analyst. and we're learning more and more about this incident and this is just extremely disturbing the fact that you have a police
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officer now having seen tyre fatally injured and texting it to other people, what is your reaction and what legal ramifications can there be knowing that this happened? >> the legal ramifications for demetrius haley is that he is charged with murder in the second degree, kidnapping. this is the least of his problems. but it is a very significant sign of a disease, a sickness, a cancer within that unit where they could as a group administer a brutal beating for someone who by all articulations had not committed a crime and was not resisting arrest and then glorify it by basically turning it into a personal social media moment saying look what i did. that is a real problem in terms of culture and psychology within that unit. >> let's broaden the question to what fixes this.
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the funding of body cams, many thought would make it less likely to happen. they were wearing body cams. there was a pole camera. they were in a neighborhood where anyone could open the blinds and record on their cellphones. so if this is culture and psychology, what changes it? >> a lot of it has to do with the selection process. fim fundamental problems with the scorpion unit, it was lack of experience, lack of supervision. the first supervisor arrived there six minutes after it was all over. they should have had a supervisor on that team who should have intervened. but this is the larger problem this is currently, to quote chief of the nypd who ran the training division before he was chief, we ask our police officers to think like lawyers, speak like psychologists, perform like athletes, but we
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pay them as common laborers. no city cop is making 42 thousand dollars a year to start. that is about $21 an hour, about five bucks more than you'd be making at mcdonald's. so you have a two year college requirement, a time when very few people want to go into policing because of a lot of the negative outlook there. memphis in particular was offering a $15,000 bonus to sign up for the department. $10,000 moving fee if you were coming from out of town. and they had lowered standards, gotten rid of the college requirement. and waived a lot of the prohibitions to having a prior criminal record. so these are chickens coming home to roost. not just right now because when you hire somebody who may be in that job for 20 years, lowering these standards will follow you in bad ways as we're seeing for a long time. the fundamental question is how do you turn it around on a
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national level. >> do you think this is a oneoff case or are you worried that there are other police officers that act so unprofessionally? >> it is definitely not a oneoff case when you see from the george floyd incident to the eric garner incident to this incident that these things happen. and they often happen within these high end plain clothes units. it comes back to supervision. on the other hand, american cities are struggling with crime. and these units properly supervised and properly trained with officers who have the requisite experience, things that we're seeing lacking in this case, can be very effective on reducing violent crime. but it has to be done the right way. >> it shouldn't be a binary choice. you have to be able to address the crime while also addressing the policing situation. >> and there are studies by perf that show that recruitment is down slightly, but retirement and resignation is right up. so something has to be done to
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at tracts the right people. >> a conversation that will continue. and is congress on the same page when it comes to social security and medicare? >> so folks, as we all apparently break, social security and medicare is off the books now, right? all right. >> so that is what it sounds like to president biden. we'll have more reaction from his "state of the union" address after the break. think he's posting about all that ancient roman coinage? no. he's making real-time money moves with merrill.
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an up expectnexpected momen trial of alex murdaugh. authorities evacuated the courthouse due to a bomb threat. before the incident a forensic scientist returned to the stand for cross-examination. she previously testified that she found gunshot residue on the clothes of the former south carolina attorney was wearing the night his wife and son were shot dead. >> a blue rain coat is of particular interest. she told the coat it had a significant number of gunshot residue particles. randi kaye is outside the cour courthouse. has the trial resumed? >> reporter: yes, it has. just about a half an hour ago. everybody went back inside. we had the bomb threat about 12:25. someone calling into the general sessions office and the judge evacuated court as a safety measure. they did a sweep and eventually got court back under way. but one of the key witnesses at
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trial so far today is a woman named megan fletcher, a gunshot residue expert for s.l.e.d., the south carolina law enforcement division, and she was talking about that blue rain coat. and that coat was recovered from alex murdaugh's mother's home shortly after the murders took place. and she said that she found significant gunshot residue particles on that rain jacket, 38 particles on the inside i should say and 14 particles on the outside. and here is what she told the jury as well as how the defense pushed back on her. >> a gun inside that rain jacket that had recently been fired and you were taking it somewhere to hide it or transport it, would the 38 particles inside, inside, the rain jacket be consistent with transfer from a recently fired firearm? >> that is a possibility, yes, sir. >> only thing you can tell us is what you saw under a microscope.
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>> yes, sir. >> you can't tell the jury how it got there, right? >> that's correct. >> reporter: and as you heard it there, the defense trying to make the point that this witness could not say how or when the gunshot residue got on that rain jacket. and also i should note the gunshot residue is not b biodeg biodegradable, so it would stay on there for a very long time as long as somebody doesn't aggressively try to wash it off. and this was a hunting property, a lot of guns being transferred in and out of cars. the defense quick to make that point as well. but she did note that it was very odd to have so much gunshot residue on the inside of a coat. >> very interesting. randi kaye, thank you. house speaker kevin mccarthy says that the president was trying to goad republicans last night. i'll ask a gop lawmaker if that is how he sees it, that is next. whoo!
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during his "state of the union" address last night, president biden had to regain control over a rowdy chamber especially when it came to his comments about some republicans' plans for social security. today kevin mccarthy is accusing the president of trying to bait his members into bad behavior and he issued this warning. >> the president was trying to goad the members. the members are passionate about it. but the one thing the president is saying is something he knew was not true. i just spent an hour with him. i've said it many times before. social security and medicare are off the table. he tries to use it for a political employ. we need to be smart, don't take the bait, stay with the american
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public about what we want to do. >> joined now by republican congressman michael burgess from a district in texas. good too have you. >> thank you for having me on. >> and let's start with the republicanshave you. >> thank you for having me on. >> and let's start with the republicans behavior last night do you regret the way the members of your conference behaved during the "state of the union" address? >> we're all responsible for our own behavior. it is not the response that i put forward last night. but i do think the speaker is absolutely correct, the president has made -- he's made it a habit since the middle of october in saying that republicans want to cut medicare and social security. and that is just absolutely not true. in fact i would just point out to people the only cutting to medicare that has occurred in the last two years has been at the so, the policies that they put forward, in the american rescue
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plan, and the inflation reduction act, seriously, seriously adversely affected physician payments in fmedicare. you ask any doctor how they've done in the last two years. and in the face of inflationary pressure, they've had pay cut after pay cut. and it's not sustainable. that's not republicans. that's the president. that's congressional democrats. >> let's talk about what got the huge reaction from the president. from republicans to what the president said. i'm going to play what the president said about some republicans' plan for social security and medicare. then, we'll talk. >> instead of making the wealthy pay their fair share, some republicans want medicare and social security sunset. i'm not saying it's a majority. let me give you -- anybody who doubts it, contact my office. i'll give you a copy.
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i'll give you a copy of the proposal. that means congress doesn't vote. i'm glad you see it. i'll tell you, i enjoy conversion. >> we saw -- we saw congresswoman -- we saw congresswoman -- i think he meant converting from wanting to cut social security and medicare to now not. wejorie taylor greene there call him a liar. let me read from rick scott's plan. page 36. ail legislation sunsets in five years. if a law is worth keeping, congress can pass it again. medicare and social security would be under that. senator ron johnson said that entitlement should be made discretionary. those would have to be voted on every year. where is the lie? >> here's the simple truth -- social security and medicare are both stopped by trust funds. the trust trfunds according to e
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trustees responsible. medicare in 2026 and social security in 2030. when the trust funds are exhausted, there's things that happen to beneficiaries. and those things are the benefits are reduced. that's a fact. that's not a law that anyone is putting forward. >> but you do acknowledge there's republicans who do want to sunset every federal legislation after five years and that there is a senator who want that after a year to turn it to discretionary. >> this is important because -- yes, it is. >> if congress does not work together. i'm old enough to remember when senator monahan, back in the -- i think it was 1983 or '84, got together, and came up with a plan to save social security. it affected people my age because then when i get to age 65, the retirement age now is 67. okay. it was a long time in phasing in. but they came together and worked out a problem because
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they saw what was dead ahead. and what was dead ahead was a reduction in benefits for people depending on those programs. there's no reason in the world we can't have those types of discussions. but we can't have them if people are talking from political talking points. >> i understand what you're saying, congressman. there's a distinguishment between my question and your answer. the president pointed out the 70,000 people a year who die from a little -- the tiniest bit of this lethal drug, here's a moment from last night. fentanyl is killing 70,000 americans a year. you got it. [ audience reacts ] >> you heard a congressman from tennessee shout, "it's your
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fault." that wasn't me, i'll point out. i heard it. >> is it the president's fault? >> look, the problem is, with the absolute erosion of control at the border in texas, the southern border, i get it. the democrats say it's in points of entry, not illegal immigrants bringing this in. the problem is the number of people, the customs and border prot protection, dea officials, are required to, in their custodial care, they can't keep up with points of entry. because of loss of control of the southern border, and i lay that precisely at the feet of president biden and because of their policies they have created this crisis. i worked really hard on the support act in 2018. >> yes. >> getting control of the opiate crisis. i thought it was important. we made some important strides. now, fentanyl is a different disease. it's so deadly.
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it's 's pervasive on social me. i did this on one of our round tables and snapchat how that is delivering fentanyl to the doors of 16-year-old who are overdosing and dying. >> you make a good point. it has to be stopped. i will make this point as we wrap up here. you say that the policies of the president and the homeland security secretary created this. if we look at the trajectory of fentanyl coming into the country, this started to really take off in 2019. so, just to put the numbers on the screen and add them to the conversation. congressman michael burgess, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> the conversation we'll continue to be having, a very important one. "the lead" with jake tapper starts after a short break. thanks for w watching. this g guy loves a great offer. so let's see some hustle!
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